<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="border-collapse:collapse">Sorry to chime in so late in the game people, but </span></font><span style="border-collapse:collapse;font-family:arial, sans-serif">my ideas for the NB (my ideas will always tend to be more practical and less lofty :b ) are:</span></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="border-collapse:collapse"><br></span></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="border-collapse:collapse">An open (social, professional) network for anyone involved (even remotely) in all things brain. I think that could, as it has already begun to, include artists and non-scientists. I don't think there needs to be any specification of limiting things to students, postdocs, junior faculty etc... although (see next point) some of the main functions the bureau serves would be in their interest. But a big thing in this regard would be making a major push on the facebook page (or google+ or whatever...) - at OHBM people really wanted to know how they could become members and I really didn't have a good answer for them (besides, if you want to be a member, then you are). Mike mentioned this but we need to eradicate the notion that we are some super cool clique of super cool people part of some super cool secret-not-so-secret organization and establish clearly how someone can get involved.... on that note, I think that something on the NB webpage along the lines of "Who are we", "What are we about" and "How can I become a member?" would be very helpful good </span></font><span style="border-collapse:collapse;font-family:arial, sans-serif">(I know that "What is the NB" is already there). Daniel added a Facebook "like" button yesterday but there are probably other buttons (twitter, google+) we can add.</span></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="border-collapse:collapse"><br></span></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="border-collapse:collapse">An organization that provides support and (currently non-monetary, but potentially monetary in the future) resources for students, postdocs and junior faculty... I talked with Daniel about this yesterday and it's very much in line with (to requote) OL's idea of </span></font>"<span style="border-collapse:collapse;font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="border-collapse:collapse;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial, sans-serif">championing the cause of open-neuroscience, and looking after the rights of the student body" - but I would not restrict this to "student body" - I can speak as the wife of someone who just started a faculty position and has spent the last 6 months floundering in a terrifying and frustrating fog of the unknown, without much support. I discovered the amazing HHMI resources on "How to start your own lab" about 4 months too late :( </span></span></span></div>
<div><span style="border-collapse:collapse;font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="border-collapse:collapse;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial, sans-serif">Some (I count myself as one) of us are extremely lucky and have amazing, supportive mentors who know a lot about the "system" (university, NIH, whatever) and so can provide guidance and advice when e.g., applying for an NIH grant. Not everyone is so lucky, and not every mentor knows everything... I would really like to bureau to provide as much of that information (that may be in the collective heads of its members) as possible, via a wiki or message board or whatever is the best way.. secrets and tips of the trade or whatever. We could also post job positions, grant announcements etc. I know there are lots of other resources out there (e.g., the HHMI resources I mentioned), but I still think it would be incredibly useful... also more senior members could serve as "spiritual" (there's a better word, but I can't think of it right now) mentors for other (junior) members.... Along those lines, Heather, I'd really like (at some point) for us to talk about the women's organizations you are involved in.</span></span></span></div>
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<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="border-collapse:collapse">Those are the main things that I wanted to vocalize... I concur with almost all of the other points, particularly the workshop idea, the facilitation of grant collaboration among members (and applications from the NB the organization), the creation of senior advisory board, the assignment of specific roles and responsibilities to members of steering committee.... </span></font></div>
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<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="border-collapse:collapse">Sorry for the late, long and not-exactly-coherent email... just wanted to get some of the thoughts down. Talk to you all later!<br><br></span></font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="border-collapse:collapse">Clare</span></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="border-collapse:collapse"><br></span></font></div><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 12:04 AM, Pierre Bellec <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pierre.bellec@criugm.qc.ca" target="_blank">pierre.bellec@criugm.qc.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Dear all,<div><br></div><div>So here's an updated agenda, based on the feedback I received. There have been a lot of points raised, so I may have forgotten something. Please let me know if you want a specific point added. We won't have time to discuss much (2) and probably not (3) with all the subpoints in there. I've added them mainly to serve as future reference.</div>
<div><br></div><div><span style="border-collapse:collapse;font-size:13px"><div style="font-family:arial, sans-serif"><font color="#323232" face="'Lucida Grande', Verdana, Arial, sans-serif"> 1. Discussion on organizational principles</font></div>
<div style="font-family:arial, sans-serif"><font color="#323232" face="'Lucida Grande', Verdana, Arial, sans-serif"> * open membership ?</font></div>
<div style="font-family:arial, sans-serif"><font color="#323232" face="'Lucida Grande', Verdana, Arial, sans-serif"> * active call for new members ? (voluntary?) membership fees ????!!!!! </font></div>
<div style="font-family:arial, sans-serif"><font color="#323232" face="'Lucida Grande', Verdana, Arial, sans-serif"> * election of the hubs ? what status for the hubs ? (hierarchy : members -> elect local hubs -> participate in large group calls, elect steering commitee, oversee the creation of work groups). Also, would the hubs be officially in charge of couch surfing facilities, like providing couchs ? and a bureau ? Do we actually want a bureau/commune organized at each hub location, or is Berlin enough ?</font></div>
<div style="font-family:arial, sans-serif"><font color="#323232" face="'Lucida Grande', Verdana, Arial, sans-serif"> * push students/post-docs for the hubs ? -> what status for "seniors" ? see next point.</font></div>
</span><span style="border-collapse:collapse;color:rgb(50, 50, 50);font-family:'Lucida Grande', Verdana, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px"> * creation of a neurobureau steering committee ? composed of "senior" members (that would be DM, PB, CK and AF in September I guess ...) ? what mandate exactly ... run large group calls ? look after money if there is money one day ? Or something more absolute, like (quoting OL) "</span><span style="border-collapse:collapse;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial, sans-serif">championing the cause of open-neuroscience, and looking after the rights of the student body". I like that a lot I have to say, it has something very knight-like. After all my laptop is named after Don Quichote's horse. But I am getting side-tracked here. </span></span></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="border-collapse:collapse"><span style="font-family:arial;font-size:13px"><div style="font-family:arial, sans-serif">
<font color="#323232" face="'Lucida Grande', Verdana, Arial, sans-serif"> * roles / workgroups ?</font></div><div style="font-family:arial, sans-serif"><font color="#323232" face="'Lucida Grande', Verdana, Arial, sans-serif"> * teams within each group ? specific roles inside the themes ?</font></div>
</span></span></font><span style="border-collapse:collapse;font-size:13px"><div style="font-family:arial, sans-serif"><font color="#323232" face="'Lucida Grande', Verdana, Arial, sans-serif"> * creation of a neurobureau senior advisory board ? who ? What for ?</font></div>
<div><font color="#323232" face="'Lucida Grande', Verdana, Arial, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:small;border-collapse:separate"><span style="border-collapse:collapse;font-size:13px"><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:arial, sans-serif">
<font color="#323232" face="'Lucida Grande', Verdana, Arial, sans-serif"> 2. Quick follow-up on active projects</font></div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:arial, sans-serif"><font color="#323232" face="'Lucida Grande', Verdana, Arial, sans-serif"> * ADHD200</font></div>
<div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:arial, sans-serif"><font color="#323232" face="'Lucida Grande', Verdana, Arial, sans-serif"> * art@HBM 2011</font></div></span></span></font></div></span><span style="border-collapse:collapse;color:rgb(50, 50, 50);font-family:'Lucida Grande', Verdana, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px"> * art@HBM 2012</span><span style="border-collapse:collapse;font-size:13px"><div>
<font color="#323232" face="'Lucida Grande', Verdana, Arial, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:small;border-collapse:separate"><span style="border-collapse:collapse;font-size:13px"><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:arial, sans-serif">
<font color="#323232" face="'Lucida Grande', Verdana, Arial, sans-serif"> * blog/facebook/twitter</font></div></span><span style="border-collapse:collapse;font-size:13px"><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:arial, sans-serif">
<font color="#323232" face="'Lucida Grande', Verdana, Arial, sans-serif"> 3. possible new projects</font></div><div><font color="#323232" face="'Lucida Grande', Verdana, Arial, sans-serif"><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:arial, sans-serif">
<font color="#323232" face="'Lucida Grande', Verdana, Arial, sans-serif"> * neurobureau workshop ?</font></div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:arial, sans-serif"><font color="#323232" face="'Lucida Grande', Verdana, Arial, sans-serif"> * theme ?</font></div>
<div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:arial, sans-serif"><font color="#323232" face="'Lucida Grande', Verdana, Arial, sans-serif"> * location ?</font></div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:arial, sans-serif">
<font color="#323232" face="'Lucida Grande', Verdana, Arial, sans-serif"> * how to set the objectives ?</font></div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:arial, sans-serif"><font color="#323232" face="'Lucida Grande', Verdana, Arial, sans-serif"> * educational dimension ?</font></div>
<div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:arial, sans-serif"><font color="#323232" face="'Lucida Grande', Verdana, Arial, sans-serif"> * artists as well ?</font></div><div><font color="#323232" face="'Lucida Grande', Verdana, Arial, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:small;border-collapse:separate"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:arial;border-collapse:collapse;font-size:13px"><div style="font-family:arial, sans-serif">
<font color="#323232" face="'Lucida Grande', Verdana, Arial, sans-serif"> * grants</font></div><div style="font-family:arial, sans-serif"><font color="#323232" face="'Lucida Grande', Verdana, Arial, sans-serif"> * Human frontier</font></div>
</span><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:arial;border-collapse:collapse;font-size:13px"><div style="font-family:arial, sans-serif"><font color="#323232" face="'Lucida Grande', Verdana, Arial, sans-serif"> * open neuroscience network</font></div>
</span><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:arial;border-collapse:collapse;font-size:13px"><div style="font-family:arial, sans-serif"><font color="#323232" face="'Lucida Grande', Verdana, Arial, sans-serif"> * hackaton to put a computational infrastructure together ?</font></div>
</span><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:arial;border-collapse:collapse;font-size:13px"><div style="font-family:arial, sans-serif"><font color="#323232" face="'Lucida Grande', Verdana, Arial, sans-serif"> * online database system ?</font></div>
</span></span></font></div></font></div></span></span></font></div></span><span style="border-collapse:collapse;color:rgb(50, 50, 50);font-family:'Lucida Grande', Verdana, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px"> * strategy for storage space ?</span><span style="border-collapse:collapse;font-size:13px"><div>
<font color="#323232" face="'Lucida Grande', Verdana, Arial, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:small;border-collapse:separate"><span style="border-collapse:collapse;font-size:13px"><div>
<font color="#323232" face="'Lucida Grande', Verdana, Arial, sans-serif"><div><font color="#323232" face="'Lucida Grande', Verdana, Arial, sans-serif"><font color="#000000" face="arial, sans-serif"> </font></font></div>
<div><font color="#323232" face="'Lucida Grande', Verdana, Arial, sans-serif"><font color="#000000" face="arial, sans-serif">Looking forward to see you all tomorrow,</font></font></div><div>
<font color="#323232" face="'Lucida Grande', Verdana, Arial, sans-serif"><font color="#000000" face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></font></div></font></div></span></span></font></div></span><div>Pierre Bellec, PhD<br>
Chercheur adjoint<div>Département d'informatique et de recherche opérationnelle<br><div>Centre de recherche de l'institut de Gériatrie de Montréal</div><div><span style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:14px">4565, Chemin Queen-Mary<br>
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<br><br></div><div><div></div><div><div class="gmail_quote">2011/7/12 Oliver Lyttelton <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:oliver.c.lyttelton@gmail.com" target="_blank">oliver.c.lyttelton@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
No worries, I'll try to escape from my supervisors clutches if I can... Wish me luck!<div><div></div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 12 July 2011 11:40, Pierre Bellec <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pierre.bellec@criugm.qc.ca" target="_blank">pierre.bellec@criugm.qc.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Dear all,<div><br></div><div>I booked an EVO meeting for tomorrow's large group call at 2:00 p.m. (Montreal time) on Evo. Sorry Oliver, you were the only one unavailable at this time. We'll try to keep the meeting an hour long, 1:30 at the most. I'll put together an agenda with all the points raised in the discussion latter today. </div>
<div><br></div><div>The details of the meeting follow :</div><div><br></div><div><span style="border-collapse:collapse;font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px">Title: The Neurobureau<br>
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<div><div>Pierre Bellec, PhD<br>Chercheur adjoint<div>Département d'informatique et de recherche opérationnelle<br><div>Centre de recherche de l'institut de Gériatrie de Montréal</div><div><span style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:14px">4565, Chemin Queen-Mary<br>
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<br><br></div><div><div></div><div><div class="gmail_quote">2011/7/11 Oliver Lyttelton <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:oliver.c.lyttelton@gmail.com" target="_blank">oliver.c.lyttelton@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
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<br>Like!<div><div></div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 11 July 2011 14:32, joshua vogelstein <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:joshuav@jhu.edu" target="_blank">joshuav@jhu.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
my vote:<div><br></div><div>every being is already part of the NB</div><div><br></div><div>signing up makes one a vertex of the neuro bureau network</div><div><br></div><div>vertices collectively appoint hubs and advisory boards and such</div>
<div><br></div><div>this potentially includes non-academics. we strive to be open....</div><div><br></div><div>in peace,</div><div><div>j<br clear="all"><div><br></div><div>--</div>If it makes you feel better, please remember to consider humanity before doing stuff. Otherwise, please just have a nice day.<br>
<a href="http://openconnectomeproject.org" target="_blank">openconnectomeproject.org</a><br><br><br>
<br><br></div><div><div></div><div><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Oliver Lyttelton <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:oliver.c.lyttelton@gmail.com" target="_blank">oliver.c.lyttelton@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<br>I hear your point, and it may be better that way.<br><br>Just to be clear, I wasn't suggesting membership of the bureau should be just for students, but that the hubs should be drawn from the student body.<br><br>
I totally agree that having junior faculty on board both as members and also in a leadership role is vital.<br>
<br>sort of:<br>students elect hubs<br><br>hubs mature into leadership roles...<div><div></div><div><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 11 July 2011 13:18, MCLAREN, Donald <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mclaren.donald@gmail.com" target="_blank">mclaren.donald@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I think it should extend to junior faculty in addition to post-docs.<br>
There are a number of junior faculty who could also benefit from the<br>
resources and contribute to the education and mentoring of students.<br>
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</div><div><div></div><div>On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Oliver Lyttelton<br>
<<a href="mailto:oliver.c.lyttelton@gmail.com" target="_blank">oliver.c.lyttelton@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
><br>
> Hi everyone,<br>
><br>
> I kind of like the guerilla/commune aspect of the bureau. As we all get on<br>
> in our careers, aspirations mature, and certainly encouraging "open<br>
> neuroscience" extends a lot further than a subversive PhD/Post-doc society<br>
> aimed at getting the big power-players to bring down their walls and allow<br>
> us to work together easily.<br>
><br>
> But as we move beyond those ideas towards creating an "open neuroscience"<br>
> infrastructure we hit straight into other big projects aimed in the same<br>
> arena, and I think, risk losing our identity.<br>
><br>
> Since I can't make wednesday, ( I have a 3 hour meeting with my<br>
> supervisor...) and it looks like that will probably be the day for the<br>
> meeting, based on everyone else's availability, here is my wish list:<br>
><br>
> ------------------------------------<br>
><br>
> 1) Whatever else the neurobureau becomes, I'd like to see it maintain its<br>
> role as an international student/(masters/phd/postdoc) support<br>
> group/watchdog championing the cause of people who are often severely<br>
> disenfranchised by the scientific establishment.<br>
><br>
> 2) Open membership. I'd like to see that at every event the bureau hosts,<br>
> everyone is encouraged to become a member, as Mike pointed out, with simple<br>
> instructions as to how to join. Somewhere there should be a list of members,<br>
> and an infrastructure in place to help people reach their local hubs and set<br>
> up their own local, student initiatives. Why not use Facebook?<br>
><br>
> 3) I would like to see hubs elected by the members. I'd like to see a date<br>
> set for the first elections (perhaps next year) and a roadmap as to how to<br>
> get there.<br>
><br>
> 4) Anyone who is no longer a student (and in my mind not eligible to run for<br>
> election as hub) could become part of the of leadership structure, beyond<br>
> the hubs, which interact and interface between the hubs and the existing<br>
> power structures within the field, championing the cause of<br>
> open-neuroscience, and looking after the rights of the student body.<br>
><br>
> Thanks for reading,<br>
><br>
> with my best wishes to everyone,<br>
><br>
> Oliver<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On 10 July 2011 12:40, Pierre Bellec <<a href="mailto:pierre.bellec@criugm.qc.ca" target="_blank">pierre.bellec@criugm.qc.ca</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Dear Joshua et al,<br>
>> What you describe makes me think of one of the idea initiated by Mike<br>
>> Milham. Basically we would have a number of research centers which would<br>
>> provide some free space for datasets and some free resources for<br>
>> computation, with as many tools as possible. I think it's important to have<br>
>> multiple data repository centers to have "mirrors" and cut down access time<br>
>> in various part of the world. These mirrors can be linked to multiple<br>
>> places, such as NITRC. The key idea is that you can use the data and the<br>
>> resources, or even upload your own data to process it there, but then you<br>
>> have to commit to make it public, at least at some defined point. That's a<br>
>> viral model for open data (and tool) sharing. Of course, the sites would<br>
>> have common protocols, and share their databases to a large extent so they<br>
>> would be driving forces in that network. What's cool about that model is<br>
>> that there is no need to install a virtual machine to share tools or data,<br>
>> and no limit to the computational power you can access (if the centers are<br>
>> plugged into high-performance computing facilities).<br>
>> I am definitely working towards that at my level. As I mentioned to you, I<br>
>> am a "pipeliner" and I have developed software specifically targeted at<br>
>> pipeline development and deployment (PSOM and NIAK, which are the<br>
>> octave/matlab equivalent of NIPYPE and NIPY). There is also the project of<br>
>> Alan Evans, CBRAIN, which aims at providing a generic interface to<br>
>> download/upload databases, and send processing on a grid of supercomputers.<br>
>> Currently CBRAIN interfaces about 50000 cores, but this has not been<br>
>> negotiated for open access. I am pretty sure it could though, if rules were<br>
>> defined. Instead of writing this ridiculously long email, I should actually<br>
>> be writing a paper about a generic system to deploy any pipeline coded using<br>
>> PSOM into CBRAIN. That's how we (me, Sébastien Lavoie-Courchesne and<br>
>> François Chouinard-Decorte) have preprocessed the ADHD200 dataset. Alan also<br>
>> applied for a 5 Pb data storage (I am on that application) so, if that goes<br>
>> through, Montreal could be one of the mirroring site. We could try to<br>
>> implement this computational infrastructure at various sites of the<br>
>> neurobureau and make it happen. It's all possible in a short time. It could<br>
>> maybe even get funded, but as Mike pointed out that's not a necessity.<br>
>> BTW, because this project fits a number of large efforts in the field, I<br>
>> think it's important for us to be connected with the key senior players<br>
>> somehow. That's partly what motivated me to propose this "senior advisory<br>
>> board" (it could be beneficial beyond that particular point though). If we<br>
>> can be some sort of proof of concept for a larger effort, good. Conversely,<br>
>> if someone gets funded to do that, hopefully we'll be part of it.<br>
>> Finally, re the polymath project, one of the Alex of the neurobureau wrote<br>
>> something about that on the neurobureau blog. We don't actually need a big<br>
>> infrastucture for that. All we need is a "grand challenge" as well as a<br>
>> dataset where this grand challenge can be resolved. Actually, the grand<br>
>> challenge could be the target of the workshop Donald suggested. I have an<br>
>> idea for a grand challenge, will do a separate email about that.<br>
>> Please let me know what you think,<br>
>> Pierre Bellec, PhD<br>
>> Chercheur adjoint<br>
>> Département d'informatique et de recherche opérationnelle<br>
>> Centre de recherche de l'institut de Gériatrie de Montréal<br>
>> 4565, Chemin Queen-Mary<br>
>> Montréal (Québec)<br>
>> H3W 1W5<br>
>> Université de Montréal<br>
>> <a href="http://simexp-lab.org/brainwiki/doku.php?id=pierrebellec" target="_blank">http://simexp-lab.org/brainwiki/doku.php?id=pierrebellec</a><br>
>> (001)(514) 340 3540 #3367<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> 2011/7/10 joshua vogelstein <<a href="mailto:joshuav@jhu.edu" target="_blank">joshuav@jhu.edu</a>><br>
>>><br>
>>> ah, thank you for bringing up this point! i agree that this is a very<br>
>>> important discussion, and that there are gradations of openness. consider<br>
>>> wikipedia: it is not the case that anybody can just write anything they<br>
>>> want. wikimedia established guidelines, users are expected to follow. the<br>
>>> same is true of arxiv. i expect that we will want to establish similar<br>
>>> guidelines establishing what we are open to, and what we are not. and i<br>
>>> imagine that those guidelines will be organic and grow with us as we learn<br>
>>> more and get more capabilities.<br>
>>> cheers, j<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> --<br>
>>> If it makes you feel better, please remember to consider humanity before<br>
>>> doing stuff. Otherwise, please just have a nice day.<br>
>>> <a href="http://openconnectomeproject.org" target="_blank">openconnectomeproject.org</a><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 10:03 AM, MCLAREN, Donald<br>
>>> <<a href="mailto:mclaren.donald@gmail.com" target="_blank">mclaren.donald@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Along the discussion of openess. I think one of the early decisions if<br>
>>>> if there will be a new central data repository (a number already<br>
>>>> exist) or if we will use an existing one or if we will use multiple<br>
>>>> systems that are distributed. The other decision related to this is<br>
>>>> whether it should be fully open -- anyone can add to it -- or OPEN<br>
>>>> access -- where an 'elected' committe would review and vote on the<br>
>>>> submission or processing request -- or OPEN access -- where the<br>
>>>> storage owners would decide what is valuable enough to put on the<br>
>>>> system.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> These two questions will go hand in hand.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On Saturday, July 9, 2011, Michael Milham <<a href="mailto:milham01@gmail.com" target="_blank">milham01@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>> > Folks,<br>
>>>> > Sitting in back of car stuck in traffic...so figured I'd give my<br>
>>>> > standard 2 cents sideline view commentary. When thinking through what to do<br>
>>>> > with an organization to make it meaningful, it is important to identify what<br>
>>>> > are the unaddressed needs of the community and what are the services you can<br>
>>>> > provide. I think it is important that folks think through how you want to<br>
>>>> > position the neurobureau in the community that will make it both unique and<br>
>>>> > effective (I.e., capable of taking ideas and making them reality) for the<br>
>>>> > community.<br>
>>>> > With respect to grants, do not underestimate the environment we are<br>
>>>> > heading into at the NIH...Tom Insel has been very open about the reality of<br>
>>>> > the times for NIMH and the challenges ahead for funding...same true for the<br>
>>>> > other institutes. Review will be harder than ever and more competitive.<br>
>>>> > Foundations and philanthropy will be very important. And so will tempering<br>
>>>> > expectations, and increasing distribution of work...when you see efforts<br>
>>>> > like the 1000 functional connectomes project, INDI and ADHD-200...those were<br>
>>>> > all done without dedicated funding...they are worth it, but do take a toll<br>
>>>> > on those executing them (Maarten will readily testify to this, as I am sure<br>
>>>> > Cameron will in his more recent efforts). One hopes their efforts can obtain<br>
>>>> > funding over time as they become established enough...but that is over time.<br>
>>>> > So, my point is efforts up front will likely be the product of folks working<br>
>>>> > overtime or gaining philanthropic support. Would set goals for neurobureau<br>
>>>> > to ensure feasibility.<br>
>>>> > Hope that makes sense.<br>
>>>> > With respect to openness...my limited view of the situation is that it<br>
>>>> > may feel closed in that folks see pins and branding all over the place...but<br>
>>>> > not much saying "email us here to become a member"...keeps people who do not<br>
>>>> > know the inner circle looking from the outside...don't think that is<br>
>>>> > intentional...and my view can be off.<br>
>>>> > Traffic has lightened...so, I will sign off on that note.<br>
>>>> > Sent from my iPhone<br>
>>>> > On Jul 9, 2011, at 11:32 PM, Pierre Bellec<br>
>>>> > <<a href="mailto:pierre.bellec@criugm.qc.ca" target="_blank">pierre.bellec@criugm.qc.ca</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> > @Donald<br>
>>>> > Yes, yes, yes !!! I love the idea of a workshop where people would try<br>
>>>> > to create something, rather than listen to talks. We had actually started<br>
>>>> > discussing something along those lines. One other idea was to have half<br>
>>>> > participants "senior" (should know what they're doing) and the other half<br>
>>>> > wanting to learn on a technique/set of techniques. We would pair seniors and<br>
>>>> > juniors based on interests. So it would also be an educational workshop.<br>
>>>> > Another idea would be to have a number of artists joining to work on one or<br>
>>>> > several pieces around the theme of the workshop, in interaction with the<br>
>>>> > scientists. In the case of Nathalie for example, there could even be some<br>
>>>> > imaging experiments going on as part of the workshop. Finally, I believe<br>
>>>> > there should be pre-workshop meetings on the web to discuss the work before<br>
>>>> > the event. 3, 4 or even 5 days are too short to achieve something if it's<br>
>>>> > not carefuly planned.<br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> > Cheers,<br>
>>>> > Pierre Bellec, PhD<br>
>>>> > Chercheur adjointDépartement d'informatique et de recherche<br>
>>>> > opérationnelle<br>
>>>> > Centre de recherche de l'institut de Gériatrie de Montréal<br>
>>>> > 4565, Chemin Queen-Mary<br>
>>>> > Montréal (Québec)<br>
>>>> > H3W 1W5Université de Montréal<br>
>>>> > <a href="http://simexp-lab.org/brainwiki/doku.php?id=pierrebellec" target="_blank">http://simexp-lab.org/brainwiki/doku.php?id=pierrebellec</a><br>
>>>> > (001)(514) 340 3540 #3367<br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> > 2011/7/9 MCLAREN, Donald <<a href="mailto:mclaren.donald@gmail.com" target="_blank">mclaren.donald@gmail.com</a>><br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> > I'm stealing this idea from the Advanced Psychometrics Workshop (its<br>
>>>> > partially funded by the NIH).<br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> > Each year, we should pick a place -- somewhere unique -- and hold a<br>
>>>> > small workshop. I'm thinking 30 people maximum where they would apply<br>
>>>> > and we'd choose the people. At the workshop, there would be some talks<br>
>>>> > and then we'd divide into 3-4 workgroups and analyze a dataset. From<br>
>>>> > this one or more papers could be produced from each group.<br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> > I should also point out, that all the papers could form a special<br>
>>>> > issue (e.g. Brain and Behavior is having a special issue just on the<br>
>>>> > papers from the Advanced Psychometrics Workshop this year).<br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> > After a year or two, we could probably get some NIH funding. This<br>
>>>> > would be a good starting point for building a research focused<br>
>>>> > organization. I also think that once we get going, then it would be<br>
>>>> > easiest to be driven by corporate money. I think there will be a lot<br>
>>>> > of resistance from institutions in the US from letting faculty apply<br>
>>>> > for grants through the NB. To much lost revenue from the indirect<br>
>>>> > costs.<br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> > Now, if its truly a research institution, with its own facility,<br>
>>>> > that's another story. However, I think that is probably a number of<br>
>>>> > years away.<br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> > At least that is how it seems.<br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> > Best Regards, Donald McLaren<br>
>>>> > =================<br>
>>>> > D.G. McLaren, Ph.D.<br>
>>>> > Postdoctoral Research Fellow, GRECC, Bedford VA<br>
>>>> > Research Fellow, Department of Neurology, Massachusetts General<br>
>>>> > Hospital and<br>
>>>> > Harvard Medical School<br>
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>>>> > On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 10:56 PM, Pierre Bellec<br>
>>>> > <<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> --<br>
>>>> Best Regards, Donald McLaren<br>
>>>> =================<br>
>>>> D.G. McLaren, Ph.D.<br>
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