[Neurobureau-hubs] next large group call

MCLAREN, Donald mclaren.donald at gmail.com
Sat Jul 9 20:38:16 PDT 2011 

Yes. It's too short to actually get stuff done; however, it can form
the foundation. I think more discussion pre-conference would be very
valuable. I went this year and the two groups I was in think we can
write about 8 papers or so. Probably over ambitious, but it provides
an idea of what can happen when you put motivated people in a room
together and don't give them constraints on the research.

Here is the link to the Advanced Psychometric Workshop:
http://alzheimer.ucdavis.edu/fhpsych/

Best Regards, Donald McLaren
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On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 11:32 PM, Pierre Bellec
<pierre.bellec at criugm.qc.ca> wrote:
> @Donald
> Yes, yes, yes !!! I love the idea of a workshop where people would try to
> create something, rather than listen to talks. We had actually started
> discussing something along those lines. One other idea was to have half
> participants "senior" (should know what they're doing) and the other half
> wanting to learn on a technique/set of techniques. We would pair seniors and
> juniors based on interests. So it would also be an educational workshop.
> Another idea would be to have a number of artists joining to work on one or
> several pieces around the theme of the workshop, in interaction with the
> scientists. In the case of Nathalie for example, there could even be some
> imaging experiments going on as part of the workshop. Finally, I believe
> there should be pre-workshop meetings on the web to discuss the work before
> the event. 3, 4 or even 5 days are too short to achieve something if it's
> not carefuly planned.
> Cheers,
> Pierre Bellec, PhD
> Chercheur adjoint
> Département d'informatique et de recherche opérationnelle
> Centre de recherche de l'institut de Gériatrie de Montréal
> 4565, Chemin Queen-Mary
> Montréal (Québec)
> H3W 1W5
> Université de Montréal
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>
>
>
> 2011/7/9 MCLAREN, Donald <mclaren.donald at gmail.com>
>>
>> I'm stealing this idea from the Advanced Psychometrics Workshop (its
>> partially funded by the NIH).
>>
>> Each year, we should pick a place -- somewhere unique -- and hold a
>> small workshop. I'm thinking 30 people maximum where they would apply
>> and we'd choose the people. At the workshop, there would be some talks
>> and then we'd divide into 3-4 workgroups and analyze a dataset. From
>> this one or more papers could be produced from each group.
>>
>> I should also point out, that all the papers could form a special
>> issue (e.g. Brain and Behavior is having a special issue just on the
>> papers from the Advanced Psychometrics Workshop this year).
>>
>> After a year or two, we could probably get some NIH funding. This
>> would be a good starting point for building a research focused
>> organization. I also think that once we get going, then it would be
>> easiest to be driven by corporate money. I think there will be a lot
>> of resistance from institutions in the US from letting faculty apply
>> for grants through the NB. To much lost revenue from the indirect
>> costs.
>>
>> Now, if its truly a research institution, with its own facility,
>> that's another story. However, I think that is probably a number of
>> years away.
>>
>> At least that is how it seems.
>>
>> Best Regards, Donald McLaren
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>> D.G. McLaren, Ph.D.
>> Postdoctoral Research Fellow, GRECC, Bedford VA
>> Research Fellow, Department of Neurology, Massachusetts General Hospital
>> and
>> Harvard Medical School
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>> On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 10:56 PM, Pierre Bellec
>> <pierre.bellec at criugm.qc.ca> wrote:
>> > This conversation is starting to have an interesting spin. The debate
>> > has
>> > started !
>> > Here is a couple of comments, and a summary of what I'd like the
>> > neurobureau
>> > to be in the future.
>> >   * The neurobureau really is who we are. What excites me about the
>> > neurobureau is to engage with people such as Daniel, Cameron, Alex,
>> > Clare,
>> > Oliver, Catie, Heather, Nathalie, to name a few who I had wonderful
>> > discussions with over the past couple of weeks (sorry for those I
>> > forgot).
>> > The roots of it is a mixture of science and social. Great principles
>> > don't
>> > matter too much at the end of the day. I totally agree with Cameron when
>> > he
>> > says that everyone is a member of the neurobureau. But because of who we
>> > are, people like Joshua are more likely to actively join us than, well,
>> > someone not like Joshua. I think it's fine this way. After joining, it's
>> > up
>> > to the people to actually find their place in one or multiple ones of
>> > our
>> > projects, or to seed their own.
>> >   * I think we need slightly more formal organization. To elaborate on
>> > the
>> > few guidelines I had sent in my first email, we would have :
>> >     * A core set of members pushing a general agenda, like giving a
>> > legal
>> > status to the bureau, organizing large group calls, updating the website
>> > to
>> > advertise our initiatives, etc ... We need to have at least one large
>> > group
>> > call a month to discuss projects advancements and new ideas.
>> >     * As many ad-hoc work-groups as needed, as long as there are people
>> > to
>> > actively sustain their growth. Within each work-group, we need at least
>> > a
>> > leader. For the art at HBM there were other roles that could easily be
>> > defined,
>> > like dealing with OHBM, contacting artists, posting on the blog, etc.
>> > It's
>> > up to every member to step up and be part of the actions. But it's up to
>> > the
>> > leaders to make sure everyone in the bureau knows about our grand plans,
>> > so
>> > that interested members can actually step up.
>> >     * We need money. Some work groups could be organized around the idea
>> > of
>> > a grant application. I already started something like that with Alex,
>> > Clare,
>> > Daniel and Cameronn targeted at human frontier. I think that the
>> > work-group
>> > who gets the grant should be free to manage it. Hopefully, some of the
>> > money
>> > we'll get can serve the greater purposes of the bureau. One thing we
>> > need to
>> > put into place, funded or not, is a open data & tool sharing network.
>> > That's
>> > Mike's idea and I have no doubt this should be one of our future
>> > (important)
>> > goals. There are several ways to try to get that funded. We can discuss
>> > it
>> > during the call, or maybe we should have a dedicated work-group.
>> >     * We need to have a publication plan per work group, if appropriate.
>> > Authorship should be discussed as early as possible, so people know what
>> > their expectations should be. I have a pretty inclusive view when it
>> > comes
>> > to authorship, but in any case that should be discussed on a per-case
>> > basis.
>> >     * I believe we need senior members. And also, we would need to ask
>> > about
>> > 5 seniors who are morally very much in-line with the bureau (or
>> > ahead) to
>> > join an advisory board (I am thinking about at least Mike Milham, Xavier
>> > Castellanos, Alan Evans). We would ask for their opinion by email or
>> > conference call regarding our main strategic initiatives, like grants,
>> > workshops, etc ... What we're trying to achieve is not completely new,
>> > and
>> > there is some experience out there we could really use. I actually had
>> > this
>> > kind of discussions informally already, along with other members, and
>> > they
>> > turned out to be amazingly useful. We should turn this into a formal
>> > mechanism.
>> > Looking forward to see you all next week, please fill in the doodle if
>> > you
>> > haven't yet,
>> > Pierre Bellec, PhD
>> > Chercheur adjoint
>> > Département d'informatique et de recherche opérationnelle
>> > Centre de recherche de l'institut de Gériatrie de Montréal
>> > 4565, Chemin Queen-Mary
>> > Montréal (Québec)
>> > H3W 1W5
>> > Université de Montréal
>> > http://simexp-lab.org/brainwiki/doku.php?id=pierrebellec
>> > (001)(514) 340 3540 #3367
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 2011/7/9 Oliver Lyttelton <oliver.c.lyttelton at gmail.com>
>> >>
>> >> Hi Cameron,
>> >>
>> >> Yes... I do remember the distinction between membership and leadership
>> >> being made that evening, thank you for drawing this back into the
>> >> discussion
>> >> space. I think your email is direct and clear, and hopefully will
>> >> provide a
>> >> springboard for further thoughts. Some of mine, interspersed through
>> >> what
>> >> you said.
>> >>
>> >> >Ideally in the future we will have a democratic process in which the
>> >> > >membership chooses the leadership, but at this point that is
>> >> > > impractical.
>> >> Okay, so what would it take to make it practical? If this is what you
>> >> want
>> >> then how do we get there?
>> >>
>> >> >Here are a few things that I would like the Neuro Bureau to be:
>> >> >- an independent research institution
>> >>
>> >> This is news to me. Do you mean a full on institution that receives
>> >> grant
>> >> money and hires researchers? Interesting.
>> >>
>> >> >- an organization that supports open neuroscience through openly
>> >> > >sharing
>> >> > tools, data, ideas, and effort
>> >>
>> >> Sounds good, I guess this is where were heading. The work you have done
>> >> for the ADHD project is amazing in this direction.
>> >>
>> >> >- a diverse community of people who like brains and open collaboration
>> >>
>> >> Okay... but a community of members, or a community of hubs? At the
>> >> moment,
>> >> I think it is only the latter, the "leadership" as you call it, which
>> >> brings
>> >> me back to wondering about how "open" we really are. What is it that we
>> >> offer to non-hub "members" that we don't offer the entire imaging
>> >> community?
>> >> the parties and wearing the badge?
>> >>
>> >> >- a positive force in the universe
>> >> Nice sentiment, I agree
>> >> >- something to be proud of
>> >> Nice sentiment, I agree
>> >>
>> >
>> >
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