[Neurobureau-hubs] next large group call
Oliver Lyttelton
oliver.c.lyttelton at gmail.com
Tue Jul 12 08:46:48 PDT 2011
No worries, I'll try to escape from my supervisors clutches if I can... Wish
me luck!
On 12 July 2011 11:40, Pierre Bellec <pierre.bellec at criugm.qc.ca> wrote:
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> latter today.
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> 2011/7/11 Oliver Lyttelton <oliver.c.lyttelton at gmail.com>
>
>>
>> Like!
>>
>>
>> On 11 July 2011 14:32, joshua vogelstein <joshuav at jhu.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> my vote:
>>>
>>> every being is already part of the NB
>>>
>>> signing up makes one a vertex of the neuro bureau network
>>>
>>> vertices collectively appoint hubs and advisory boards and such
>>>
>>> this potentially includes non-academics. we strive to be open....
>>>
>>> in peace,
>>> j
>>>
>>> --
>>> If it makes you feel better, please remember to consider humanity before
>>> doing stuff. Otherwise, please just have a nice day.
>>> openconnectomeproject.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Oliver Lyttelton <
>>> oliver.c.lyttelton at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I hear your point, and it may be better that way.
>>>>
>>>> Just to be clear, I wasn't suggesting membership of the bureau should be
>>>> just for students, but that the hubs should be drawn from the student body.
>>>>
>>>> I totally agree that having junior faculty on board both as members and
>>>> also in a leadership role is vital.
>>>>
>>>> sort of:
>>>> students elect hubs
>>>>
>>>> hubs mature into leadership roles...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 11 July 2011 13:18, MCLAREN, Donald <mclaren.donald at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I think it should extend to junior faculty in addition to post-docs.
>>>>> There are a number of junior faculty who could also benefit from the
>>>>> resources and contribute to the education and mentoring of students.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best Regards, Donald McLaren
>>>>> =================
>>>>> D.G. McLaren, Ph.D.
>>>>> Postdoctoral Research Fellow, GRECC, Bedford VA
>>>>> Research Fellow, Department of Neurology, Massachusetts General
>>>>> Hospital and
>>>>> Harvard Medical School
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Oliver Lyttelton
>>>>> <oliver.c.lyttelton at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Hi everyone,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I kind of like the guerilla/commune aspect of the bureau. As we all
>>>>> get on
>>>>> > in our careers, aspirations mature, and certainly encouraging "open
>>>>> > neuroscience" extends a lot further than a subversive PhD/Post-doc
>>>>> society
>>>>> > aimed at getting the big power-players to bring down their walls and
>>>>> allow
>>>>> > us to work together easily.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > But as we move beyond those ideas towards creating an "open
>>>>> neuroscience"
>>>>> > infrastructure we hit straight into other big projects aimed in the
>>>>> same
>>>>> > arena, and I think, risk losing our identity.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Since I can't make wednesday, ( I have a 3 hour meeting with my
>>>>> > supervisor...) and it looks like that will probably be the day for
>>>>> the
>>>>> > meeting, based on everyone else's availability, here is my wish list:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > ------------------------------------
>>>>> >
>>>>> > 1) Whatever else the neurobureau becomes, I'd like to see it maintain
>>>>> its
>>>>> > role as an international student/(masters/phd/postdoc) support
>>>>> > group/watchdog championing the cause of people who are often severely
>>>>> > disenfranchised by the scientific establishment.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > 2) Open membership. I'd like to see that at every event the bureau
>>>>> hosts,
>>>>> > everyone is encouraged to become a member, as Mike pointed out, with
>>>>> simple
>>>>> > instructions as to how to join. Somewhere there should be a list of
>>>>> members,
>>>>> > and an infrastructure in place to help people reach their local hubs
>>>>> and set
>>>>> > up their own local, student initiatives. Why not use Facebook?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > 3) I would like to see hubs elected by the members. I'd like to see a
>>>>> date
>>>>> > set for the first elections (perhaps next year) and a roadmap as to
>>>>> how to
>>>>> > get there.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > 4) Anyone who is no longer a student (and in my mind not eligible to
>>>>> run for
>>>>> > election as hub) could become part of the of leadership structure,
>>>>> beyond
>>>>> > the hubs, which interact and interface between the hubs and the
>>>>> existing
>>>>> > power structures within the field, championing the cause of
>>>>> > open-neuroscience, and looking after the rights of the student body.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Thanks for reading,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > with my best wishes to everyone,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Oliver
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On 10 July 2011 12:40, Pierre Bellec <pierre.bellec at criugm.qc.ca>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Dear Joshua et al,
>>>>> >> What you describe makes me think of one of the idea initiated by
>>>>> Mike
>>>>> >> Milham. Basically we would have a number of research centers which
>>>>> would
>>>>> >> provide some free space for datasets and some free resources for
>>>>> >> computation, with as many tools as possible. I think it's important
>>>>> to have
>>>>> >> multiple data repository centers to have "mirrors" and cut down
>>>>> access time
>>>>> >> in various part of the world. These mirrors can be linked to
>>>>> multiple
>>>>> >> places, such as NITRC. The key idea is that you can use the data and
>>>>> the
>>>>> >> resources, or even upload your own data to process it there, but
>>>>> then you
>>>>> >> have to commit to make it public, at least at some defined point.
>>>>> That's a
>>>>> >> viral model for open data (and tool) sharing. Of course, the sites
>>>>> would
>>>>> >> have common protocols, and share their databases to a large extent
>>>>> so they
>>>>> >> would be driving forces in that network. What's cool about that
>>>>> model is
>>>>> >> that there is no need to install a virtual machine to share tools or
>>>>> data,
>>>>> >> and no limit to the computational power you can access (if the
>>>>> centers are
>>>>> >> plugged into high-performance computing facilities).
>>>>> >> I am definitely working towards that at my level. As I mentioned to
>>>>> you, I
>>>>> >> am a "pipeliner" and I have developed software specifically targeted
>>>>> at
>>>>> >> pipeline development and deployment (PSOM and NIAK, which are the
>>>>> >> octave/matlab equivalent of NIPYPE and NIPY). There is also the
>>>>> project of
>>>>> >> Alan Evans, CBRAIN, which aims at providing a generic interface to
>>>>> >> download/upload databases, and send processing on a grid of
>>>>> supercomputers.
>>>>> >> Currently CBRAIN interfaces about 50000 cores, but this has not been
>>>>> >> negotiated for open access. I am pretty sure it could though, if
>>>>> rules were
>>>>> >> defined. Instead of writing this ridiculously long email, I should
>>>>> actually
>>>>> >> be writing a paper about a generic system to deploy any pipeline
>>>>> coded using
>>>>> >> PSOM into CBRAIN. That's how we (me, Sébastien Lavoie-Courchesne and
>>>>> >> François Chouinard-Decorte) have preprocessed the ADHD200 dataset.
>>>>> Alan also
>>>>> >> applied for a 5 Pb data storage (I am on that application) so, if
>>>>> that goes
>>>>> >> through, Montreal could be one of the mirroring site. We could try
>>>>> to
>>>>> >> implement this computational infrastructure at various sites of the
>>>>> >> neurobureau and make it happen. It's all possible in a short time.
>>>>> It could
>>>>> >> maybe even get funded, but as Mike pointed out that's not a
>>>>> necessity.
>>>>> >> BTW, because this project fits a number of large efforts in the
>>>>> field, I
>>>>> >> think it's important for us to be connected with the key senior
>>>>> players
>>>>> >> somehow. That's partly what motivated me to propose this "senior
>>>>> advisory
>>>>> >> board" (it could be beneficial beyond that particular point though).
>>>>> If we
>>>>> >> can be some sort of proof of concept for a larger effort, good.
>>>>> Conversely,
>>>>> >> if someone gets funded to do that, hopefully we'll be part of it.
>>>>> >> Finally, re the polymath project, one of the Alex of the neurobureau
>>>>> wrote
>>>>> >> something about that on the neurobureau blog. We don't actually need
>>>>> a big
>>>>> >> infrastucture for that. All we need is a "grand challenge" as well
>>>>> as a
>>>>> >> dataset where this grand challenge can be resolved. Actually, the
>>>>> grand
>>>>> >> challenge could be the target of the workshop Donald suggested. I
>>>>> have an
>>>>> >> idea for a grand challenge, will do a separate email about that.
>>>>> >> Please let me know what you think,
>>>>> >> Pierre Bellec, PhD
>>>>> >> Chercheur adjoint
>>>>> >> Département d'informatique et de recherche opérationnelle
>>>>> >> Centre de recherche de l'institut de Gériatrie de Montréal
>>>>> >> 4565, Chemin Queen-Mary
>>>>> >> Montréal (Québec)
>>>>> >> H3W 1W5
>>>>> >> Université de Montréal
>>>>> >> http://simexp-lab.org/brainwiki/doku.php?id=pierrebellec
>>>>> >> (001)(514) 340 3540 #3367
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> 2011/7/10 joshua vogelstein <joshuav at jhu.edu>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> ah, thank you for bringing up this point! i agree that this is a
>>>>> very
>>>>> >>> important discussion, and that there are gradations of openness.
>>>>> consider
>>>>> >>> wikipedia: it is not the case that anybody can just write anything
>>>>> they
>>>>> >>> want. wikimedia established guidelines, users are expected to
>>>>> follow. the
>>>>> >>> same is true of arxiv. i expect that we will want to establish
>>>>> similar
>>>>> >>> guidelines establishing what we are open to, and what we are not.
>>>>> and i
>>>>> >>> imagine that those guidelines will be organic and grow with us as
>>>>> we learn
>>>>> >>> more and get more capabilities.
>>>>> >>> cheers, j
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> --
>>>>> >>> If it makes you feel better, please remember to consider humanity
>>>>> before
>>>>> >>> doing stuff. Otherwise, please just have a nice day.
>>>>> >>> openconnectomeproject.org
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 10:03 AM, MCLAREN, Donald
>>>>> >>> <mclaren.donald at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Along the discussion of openess. I think one of the early
>>>>> decisions if
>>>>> >>>> if there will be a new central data repository (a number already
>>>>> >>>> exist) or if we will use an existing one or if we will use
>>>>> multiple
>>>>> >>>> systems that are distributed. The other decision related to this
>>>>> is
>>>>> >>>> whether it should be fully open -- anyone can add to it -- or OPEN
>>>>> >>>> access -- where an 'elected' committe would review and vote on the
>>>>> >>>> submission or processing request -- or OPEN access -- where the
>>>>> >>>> storage owners would decide what is valuable enough to put on the
>>>>> >>>> system.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> These two questions will go hand in hand.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> On Saturday, July 9, 2011, Michael Milham <milham01 at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >>>> > Folks,
>>>>> >>>> > Sitting in back of car stuck in traffic...so figured I'd give my
>>>>> >>>> > standard 2 cents sideline view commentary. When thinking through
>>>>> what to do
>>>>> >>>> > with an organization to make it meaningful, it is important to
>>>>> identify what
>>>>> >>>> > are the unaddressed needs of the community and what are the
>>>>> services you can
>>>>> >>>> > provide. I think it is important that folks think through how
>>>>> you want to
>>>>> >>>> > position the neurobureau in the community that will make it both
>>>>> unique and
>>>>> >>>> > effective (I.e., capable of taking ideas and making them
>>>>> reality) for the
>>>>> >>>> > community.
>>>>> >>>> > With respect to grants, do not underestimate the environment we
>>>>> are
>>>>> >>>> > heading into at the NIH...Tom Insel has been very open about the
>>>>> reality of
>>>>> >>>> > the times for NIMH and the challenges ahead for funding...same
>>>>> true for the
>>>>> >>>> > other institutes. Review will be harder than ever and more
>>>>> competitive.
>>>>> >>>> > Foundations and philanthropy will be very important. And so will
>>>>> tempering
>>>>> >>>> > expectations, and increasing distribution of work...when you see
>>>>> efforts
>>>>> >>>> > like the 1000 functional connectomes project, INDI and
>>>>> ADHD-200...those were
>>>>> >>>> > all done without dedicated funding...they are worth it, but do
>>>>> take a toll
>>>>> >>>> > on those executing them (Maarten will readily testify to this,
>>>>> as I am sure
>>>>> >>>> > Cameron will in his more recent efforts). One hopes their
>>>>> efforts can obtain
>>>>> >>>> > funding over time as they become established enough...but that
>>>>> is over time.
>>>>> >>>> > So, my point is efforts up front will likely be the product of
>>>>> folks working
>>>>> >>>> > overtime or gaining philanthropic support. Would set goals for
>>>>> neurobureau
>>>>> >>>> > to ensure feasibility.
>>>>> >>>> > Hope that makes sense.
>>>>> >>>> > With respect to openness...my limited view of the situation is
>>>>> that it
>>>>> >>>> > may feel closed in that folks see pins and branding all over the
>>>>> place...but
>>>>> >>>> > not much saying "email us here to become a member"...keeps
>>>>> people who do not
>>>>> >>>> > know the inner circle looking from the outside...don't think
>>>>> that is
>>>>> >>>> > intentional...and my view can be off.
>>>>> >>>> > Traffic has lightened...so, I will sign off on that note.
>>>>> >>>> > Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> >>>> > On Jul 9, 2011, at 11:32 PM, Pierre Bellec
>>>>> >>>> > <pierre.bellec at criugm.qc.ca> wrote:
>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> > @Donald
>>>>> >>>> > Yes, yes, yes !!! I love the idea of a workshop where people
>>>>> would try
>>>>> >>>> > to create something, rather than listen to talks. We had
>>>>> actually started
>>>>> >>>> > discussing something along those lines. One other idea was to
>>>>> have half
>>>>> >>>> > participants "senior" (should know what they're doing) and the
>>>>> other half
>>>>> >>>> > wanting to learn on a technique/set of techniques. We would pair
>>>>> seniors and
>>>>> >>>> > juniors based on interests. So it would also be an educational
>>>>> workshop.
>>>>> >>>> > Another idea would be to have a number of artists joining to
>>>>> work on one or
>>>>> >>>> > several pieces around the theme of the workshop, in interaction
>>>>> with the
>>>>> >>>> > scientists. In the case of Nathalie for example, there could
>>>>> even be some
>>>>> >>>> > imaging experiments going on as part of the workshop. Finally, I
>>>>> believe
>>>>> >>>> > there should be pre-workshop meetings on the web to discuss the
>>>>> work before
>>>>> >>>> > the event. 3, 4 or even 5 days are too short to achieve
>>>>> something if it's
>>>>> >>>> > not carefuly planned.
>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> > Cheers,
>>>>> >>>> > Pierre Bellec, PhD
>>>>> >>>> > Chercheur adjointDépartement d'informatique et de recherche
>>>>> >>>> > opérationnelle
>>>>> >>>> > Centre de recherche de l'institut de Gériatrie de Montréal
>>>>> >>>> > 4565, Chemin Queen-Mary
>>>>> >>>> > Montréal (Québec)
>>>>> >>>> > H3W 1W5Université de Montréal
>>>>> >>>> > http://simexp-lab.org/brainwiki/doku.php?id=pierrebellec
>>>>> >>>> > (001)(514) 340 3540 #3367
>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> > 2011/7/9 MCLAREN, Donald <mclaren.donald at gmail.com>
>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> > I'm stealing this idea from the Advanced Psychometrics Workshop
>>>>> (its
>>>>> >>>> > partially funded by the NIH).
>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> > Each year, we should pick a place -- somewhere unique -- and
>>>>> hold a
>>>>> >>>> > small workshop. I'm thinking 30 people maximum where they would
>>>>> apply
>>>>> >>>> > and we'd choose the people. At the workshop, there would be some
>>>>> talks
>>>>> >>>> > and then we'd divide into 3-4 workgroups and analyze a dataset.
>>>>> From
>>>>> >>>> > this one or more papers could be produced from each group.
>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> > I should also point out, that all the papers could form a
>>>>> special
>>>>> >>>> > issue (e.g. Brain and Behavior is having a special issue just on
>>>>> the
>>>>> >>>> > papers from the Advanced Psychometrics Workshop this year).
>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> > After a year or two, we could probably get some NIH funding.
>>>>> This
>>>>> >>>> > would be a good starting point for building a research focused
>>>>> >>>> > organization. I also think that once we get going, then it would
>>>>> be
>>>>> >>>> > easiest to be driven by corporate money. I think there will be a
>>>>> lot
>>>>> >>>> > of resistance from institutions in the US from letting faculty
>>>>> apply
>>>>> >>>> > for grants through the NB. To much lost revenue from the
>>>>> indirect
>>>>> >>>> > costs.
>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> > Now, if its truly a research institution, with its own facility,
>>>>> >>>> > that's another story. However, I think that is probably a number
>>>>> of
>>>>> >>>> > years away.
>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> > At least that is how it seems.
>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> > Best Regards, Donald McLaren
>>>>> >>>> > =================
>>>>> >>>> > D.G. McLaren, Ph.D.
>>>>> >>>> > Postdoctoral Research Fellow, GRECC, Bedford VA
>>>>> >>>> > Research Fellow, Department of Neurology, Massachusetts General
>>>>> >>>> > Hospital and
>>>>> >>>> > Harvard Medical School
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>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> > On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 10:56 PM, Pierre Bellec
>>>>> >>>> > <
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> --
>>>>> >>>> Best Regards, Donald McLaren
>>>>> >>>> =================
>>>>> >>>> D.G. McLaren, Ph.D.
>>>>> >>>> Postdoctoral Research Fellow, GRECC, Bedford VA
>>>>> >>>> Research Fellow, Department of Neurology, Massachusetts General
>>>>> Hospital
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