[Neurobureau-hubs] next large group call

[MCLAREN, Donald]

Along the discussion of openess. I think one of the early decisions if
if there will be a new central data repository (a number already
exist) or if we will use an existing one or if we will use multiple
systems that are distributed. The other decision related to this is
whether it should be fully open -- anyone can add to it -- or OPEN
access -- where an 'elected' committe would review and vote on the
submission or processing request -- or OPEN access -- where the
storage owners would decide what is valuable enough to put on the
system.

These two questions will go hand in hand.

On Saturday, July 9, 2011, Michael Milham <milham01 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Folks,
> Sitting in back of car stuck in traffic...so figured I'd give my standard 2 cents sideline view commentary. When thinking through what to do with an organization to make it meaningful, it is important to identify what are the unaddressed needs of the community and what are the services you can provide. I think it is important that folks think through how you want to position the neurobureau in the community that will make it both unique and effective (I.e., capable of taking ideas and making them reality) for the community.
> With respect to grants, do not underestimate the environment we are heading into at the NIH...Tom Insel has been very open about the reality of the times for NIMH and the challenges ahead for funding...same true for the other institutes. Review will be harder than ever and more competitive. Foundations and philanthropy will be very important. And so will tempering expectations, and increasing distribution of work...when you see efforts like the 1000 functional connectomes project, INDI and ADHD-200...those were all done without dedicated funding...they are worth it, but do take a toll on those executing them (Maarten will readily testify to this, as I am sure Cameron will in his more recent efforts). One hopes their efforts can obtain funding over time as they become established enough...but that is over time. So, my point is efforts up front will likely be the product of folks working overtime or gaining philanthropic support. Would set goals for neurobureau to ensure feasibility.
> Hope that makes sense.
> With respect to openness...my limited view of the situation is that it may feel closed in that folks see pins and branding all over the place...but not much saying "email us here to become a member"...keeps people who do not know the inner circle looking from the outside...don't think that is intentional...and my view can be off.
> Traffic has lightened...so, I will sign off on that note.
> Sent from my iPhone
> On Jul 9, 2011, at 11:32 PM, Pierre Bellec <pierre.bellec at criugm.qc.ca> wrote:
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> @Donald
> Yes, yes, yes !!! I love the idea of a workshop where people would try to create something, rather than listen to talks. We had actually started discussing something along those lines. One other idea was to have half participants "senior" (should know what they're doing) and the other half wanting to learn on a technique/set of techniques. We would pair seniors and juniors based on interests. So it would also be an educational workshop. Another idea would be to have a number of artists joining to work on one or several pieces around the theme of the workshop, in interaction with the scientists. In the case of Nathalie for example, there could even be some imaging experiments going on as part of the workshop. Finally, I believe there should be pre-workshop meetings on the web to discuss the work before the event. 3, 4 or even 5 days are too short to achieve something if it's not carefuly planned.
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> 2011/7/9 MCLAREN, Donald <mclaren.donald at gmail.com>
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> I'm stealing this idea from the Advanced Psychometrics Workshop (its
> partially funded by the NIH).
>
> Each year, we should pick a place -- somewhere unique -- and hold a
> small workshop. I'm thinking 30 people maximum where they would apply
> and we'd choose the people. At the workshop, there would be some talks
> and then we'd divide into 3-4 workgroups and analyze a dataset. From
> this one or more papers could be produced from each group.
>
> I should also point out, that all the papers could form a special
> issue (e.g. Brain and Behavior is having a special issue just on the
> papers from the Advanced Psychometrics Workshop this year).
>
> After a year or two, we could probably get some NIH funding. This
> would be a good starting point for building a research focused
> organization. I also think that once we get going, then it would be
> easiest to be driven by corporate money. I think there will be a lot
> of resistance from institutions in the US from letting faculty apply
> for grants through the NB. To much lost revenue from the indirect
> costs.
>
> Now, if its truly a research institution, with its own facility,
> that's another story. However, I think that is probably a number of
> years away.
>
> At least that is how it seems.
>
> Best Regards, Donald McLaren
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