[Neurobureau-hubs] next large group call

Sun Jul 10 07:26:23 PDT 2011

ah, thank you for bringing up this point! i agree that this is a very
important discussion, and that there are gradations of openness. consider
wikipedia: it is not the case that anybody can just write anything they
want.  wikimedia established guidelines, users are expected to follow.   the
same is true of arxiv.  i expect that we will want to establish similar
guidelines establishing what we are open to, and what we are not.  and i
imagine that those guidelines will be organic and grow with us as we learn
more and get more capabilities.

cheers, j

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On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 10:03 AM, MCLAREN, Donald
<mclaren.donald at gmail.com>wrote:

> Along the discussion of openess. I think one of the early decisions if
> if there will be a new central data repository (a number already
> exist) or if we will use an existing one or if we will use multiple
> systems that are distributed. The other decision related to this is
> whether it should be fully open -- anyone can add to it -- or OPEN
> access -- where an 'elected' committe would review and vote on the
> submission or processing request -- or OPEN access -- where the
> storage owners would decide what is valuable enough to put on the
> system.
>
> These two questions will go hand in hand.
>
> On Saturday, July 9, 2011, Michael Milham <milham01 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Folks,
> > Sitting in back of car stuck in traffic...so figured I'd give my standard
> 2 cents sideline view commentary. When thinking through what to do with an
> organization to make it meaningful, it is important to identify what are the
> unaddressed needs of the community and what are the services you can
> provide. I think it is important that folks think through how you want to
> position the neurobureau in the community that will make it both unique and
> effective (I.e., capable of taking ideas and making them reality) for the
> community.
> > With respect to grants, do not underestimate the environment we are
> heading into at the NIH...Tom Insel has been very open about the reality of
> the times for NIMH and the challenges ahead for funding...same true for the
> other institutes. Review will be harder than ever and more competitive.
> Foundations and philanthropy will be very important. And so will tempering
> expectations, and increasing distribution of work...when you see efforts
> like the 1000 functional connectomes project, INDI and ADHD-200...those were
> all done without dedicated funding...they are worth it, but do take a toll
> on those executing them (Maarten will readily testify to this, as I am sure
> Cameron will in his more recent efforts). One hopes their efforts can obtain
> funding over time as they become established enough...but that is over time.
> So, my point is efforts up front will likely be the product of folks working
> overtime or gaining philanthropic support. Would set goals for neurobureau
> to ensure feasibility.
> > Hope that makes sense.
> > With respect to openness...my limited view of the situation is that it
> may feel closed in that folks see pins and branding all over the place...but
> not much saying "email us here to become a member"...keeps people who do not
> know the inner circle looking from the outside...don't think that is
> intentional...and my view can be off.
> > Traffic has lightened...so, I will sign off on that note.
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > On Jul 9, 2011, at 11:32 PM, Pierre Bellec <pierre.bellec at criugm.qc.ca>
> wrote:
> >
> > @Donald
> > Yes, yes, yes !!! I love the idea of a workshop where people would try to
> create something, rather than listen to talks. We had actually started
> discussing something along those lines. One other idea was to have half
> participants "senior" (should know what they're doing) and the other half
> wanting to learn on a technique/set of techniques. We would pair seniors and
> juniors based on interests. So it would also be an educational workshop.
> Another idea would be to have a number of artists joining to work on one or
> several pieces around the theme of the workshop, in interaction with the
> scientists. In the case of Nathalie for example, there could even be some
> imaging experiments going on as part of the workshop. Finally, I believe
> there should be pre-workshop meetings on the web to discuss the work before
> the event. 3, 4 or even 5 days are too short to achieve something if it's
> not carefuly planned.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Pierre Bellec, PhD
> > Chercheur adjointDépartement d'informatique et de recherche
> opérationnelle
> > Centre de recherche de l'institut de Gériatrie de Montréal
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> > Montréal (Québec)
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> > (001)(514) 340 3540 #3367
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 2011/7/9 MCLAREN, Donald <mclaren.donald at gmail.com>
> >
> > I'm stealing this idea from the Advanced Psychometrics Workshop (its
> > partially funded by the NIH).
> >
> > Each year, we should pick a place -- somewhere unique -- and hold a
> > small workshop. I'm thinking 30 people maximum where they would apply
> > and we'd choose the people. At the workshop, there would be some talks
> > and then we'd divide into 3-4 workgroups and analyze a dataset. From
> > this one or more papers could be produced from each group.
> >
> > I should also point out, that all the papers could form a special
> > issue (e.g. Brain and Behavior is having a special issue just on the
> > papers from the Advanced Psychometrics Workshop this year).
> >
> > After a year or two, we could probably get some NIH funding. This
> > would be a good starting point for building a research focused
> > organization. I also think that once we get going, then it would be
> > easiest to be driven by corporate money. I think there will be a lot
> > of resistance from institutions in the US from letting faculty apply
> > for grants through the NB. To much lost revenue from the indirect
> > costs.
> >
> > Now, if its truly a research institution, with its own facility,
> > that's another story. However, I think that is probably a number of
> > years away.
> >
> > At least that is how it seems.
> >
> > Best Regards, Donald McLaren
> > =================
> > D.G. McLaren, Ph.D.
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> > Research Fellow, Department of Neurology, Massachusetts General Hospital
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