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Jun 10, 2016  05:06 AM | Florian Beissner
RE: Welcome to Open-Discussion
Dear Sara,
Thanks very much for your answer! Yes when I run the group ICA, in many instances it seems to fail on dimensionality 4 - so I will exclude this from further analysis. However if I run melodic (through standard FSL commands) I do not get this error. Do you know why this may be?
When you say you run melodic, does that mean you run melodic with the same mask, same resolution and smoothing you use in the toolbox? Or do you mean an unmasked ICA? In the latter case it would not be surprising to get completely different results because of different intrinsic dimensionalities of the different brain regions. Unfortunately, we had to remove that part of the results from our toolbox paper prior to publication.
When I run the reproducibility analysis I appear to get an error associated with dimensionality 11 (the corr_dim11.txt file lacks some information) - which I think is reflected in the following error? (this is from the error files of the split half step 3, whereas step 2 in some instances gives me the 'non-convergence' error).

Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/share/apps/mICA/mICA_Toolbox/py/ic_corr.py", line 131, in
value = cor_mat[row][column]
IndexError: list index out of range
To understand this problem, I need more information. Are you running split-half or test-retest reproducibility analysis? If the first, how many repetitions did you choose? if it was only one, this may explain the crash since there is nothing to calculate the correlation coefficients from. Try running more repetitions then. The ICA should not have convergence problems for all samplings. The no_convergence_error.png file should then be in the top folder of the analysis (together with an output "corr_mean.png" that is essentially the figure 2A of our paper). If it is not there, that means that the analysis did not finish properly.

If everything else went smoothly, you can use
python '/Path_to_your_toolbox_installation/py/ic_corr /Path_to_folder_containing_the_samples_folder/ number_of_samplings dimensionality_range 1'
and re-run everything except for the calculation of the single ICAs. Try to leave out the problematic number in in the dimensionality range argument. For example (if you had 10 repetitions):
python '/Path_to_your_toolbox_installation/py/ic_corr /Path_to_folder_containing_the_samples_folder/ 10 2-10,12-20 1'
Let me know if that works.

Best,

Florian
My questions are:
(1) Can I still use this analysis but just ignore the dimensionalities that appear to cause problems?
(2) Why does the groupICA cause problems with dimension 4 but the reproducibility analysis causes a problem with dimension 11? Is this unpredictable as you said?
(2) I unfortunately couldn't find the no_convergence_error.png file - could you give me an indication of where this may be saved?
(3) This may be a silly question but am I correct in assuming that to create a graph such as Figure 2(A) in your paper, I would just need to average the numbers in the corr_.txt files for each dimension?

Thanks very much for your help and sorry for the multiple questions!
Sara

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