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Aug 10, 2015 10:08 PM | Andrew Zalesky
RE: Regarding group-level matrix thresholding
Hi,
I think that taking the conjunction of two independent a priori tests might bring us closer to violating the independence issue that Alfonso pointed out.
If you are losing sleep over this, you might want to consider simply avoiding any prior thresholding. Prior thresholding can be useful but it is definitely not essential. Everything works fine without it, but the number of comparisons might be unnecessarily large. The idea of the prior test is to exclude from the inference procedure any edges for which you believe a priori cannot show an effect.
Andrew
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I think that taking the conjunction of two independent a priori tests might bring us closer to violating the independence issue that Alfonso pointed out.
If you are losing sleep over this, you might want to consider simply avoiding any prior thresholding. Prior thresholding can be useful but it is definitely not essential. Everything works fine without it, but the number of comparisons might be unnecessarily large. The idea of the prior test is to exclude from the inference procedure any edges for which you believe a priori cannot show an effect.
Andrew
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Thank you Andrew and Alfonso.
Andrew, in your most recent comment you've stated: "In terms of orthogonality, I don't really see this as two nested tests (although I definitely understand your point). For example, the first test (one-sample) can be performed on an independent set of controls to which the second test (two-sample) is performed."
I appreciate that if you have conducted a one-sample test on an independent set of controls that the issue of nested tests is not a problem for the group differences test. But what about if you do as I suggested in my previous comments, where we would include connections that differed in either the diseased group and/or the control group, and then conduct the two-sample test on these connections? This seems to be the test sets that Alfonso is concerned about ("Y>0, or [0 1]) is not orthogonal to the main contrast (Y-X>0, or [-1 1]") If I'm understanding correctly. Is it sound to threshold the network based on group differences in either group (i.e., connection ~= 0 in diseased or controls), and then conduct the group-level test on only these connections?
Thank you!
Andrew, in your most recent comment you've stated: "In terms of orthogonality, I don't really see this as two nested tests (although I definitely understand your point). For example, the first test (one-sample) can be performed on an independent set of controls to which the second test (two-sample) is performed."
I appreciate that if you have conducted a one-sample test on an independent set of controls that the issue of nested tests is not a problem for the group differences test. But what about if you do as I suggested in my previous comments, where we would include connections that differed in either the diseased group and/or the control group, and then conduct the two-sample test on these connections? This seems to be the test sets that Alfonso is concerned about ("Y>0, or [0 1]) is not orthogonal to the main contrast (Y-X>0, or [-1 1]") If I'm understanding correctly. Is it sound to threshold the network based on group differences in either group (i.e., connection ~= 0 in diseased or controls), and then conduct the group-level test on only these connections?
Thank you!
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| Alfonso Nieto-Castanon | Aug 6, 2015 | |
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