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Jun 10, 2021 06:06 AM | Pravesh Parekh - University of Oslo
Question on second level ROI-ROI FNC omnibus test
Dear Dr. Alfonso,
Hope you are doing well! I have a few questions regarding the omnibus tests being performed as part of the ROI-ROI FNC analyses.
Background:
- Conn 20.b, SPM12 7771, MATLAB R2016a
- 39 healthy subjects, 57 patients
- task fMRI where I am currently looking at one condition which is of interest
- analyses performed in the same space as functional (which are normalized to MNI space with 3mm isotropic voxel size)
- HRF-weighted correlation based ROI-ROI connectivity using Schaefer 7 networks 100 parcels atlas
- second level ROI-ROI FNC (with standard settings)
- specifying custom grouping file where the parcels are grouped as per the 7 networks
What I think is being done during FNC:
- since there are 7 ROI groups, therefore there are nchoosek(7,2) = 21 between network clusters and 7 within network clusters = 28 clusters (which is what I see in the GUI with clusters going from 1-28)
- For each of the 28 clusters, perform a multivariate GLM where Y = all pairwise connections between ROIs within a cluster, X = ones(n,1) [in case of one sample test, where n is the sample size] OR X = [[ones(N1,1); zeros(N2,1)], [zeros(N1,1); ones(N2,1)]] for a between group comparison, where N1 and N2 are sample sizes and the contrast will be specified as [1, -1]
- The omnibus test is followed by a series of t-tests for each pair of connections within the cluster
Questions:
Is it correct to say that for each cluster, the omnibus test is "are there any pairs of connections within this cluster for which the mean connectivity is not zero" (for a within group test) OR "are there any pairs of connections within this cluster where the mean connectivity difference between the two groups is not zero" (for between group test)?
As a specific example, say my first cluster consists is the DMN; there are 24 ROIs in the DMN group. Therefore, there would be 276 pairs of connections within this cluster. For within group comparison for healthy subjects, the GUI shows me a F(2,37) = 696.19. If I stack up my connectivity values as a 39 x 276 DMN_HS matrix, then can the F statistics can be obtained as: [h,F,p,dof,statsname]=conn_glm(ones(39,1),DMN_HS)? Similarly, the between group omnibus degrees of freedom are (3,92).
Perhaps I am misunderstanding the omnibus tests being done here? Could you provide some clarification/insights on the omnibus test being performed and how the degrees of freedom are being calculated above? Thank you very much for your time and help.
Warm Regards
Pravesh
Hope you are doing well! I have a few questions regarding the omnibus tests being performed as part of the ROI-ROI FNC analyses.
Background:
- Conn 20.b, SPM12 7771, MATLAB R2016a
- 39 healthy subjects, 57 patients
- task fMRI where I am currently looking at one condition which is of interest
- analyses performed in the same space as functional (which are normalized to MNI space with 3mm isotropic voxel size)
- HRF-weighted correlation based ROI-ROI connectivity using Schaefer 7 networks 100 parcels atlas
- second level ROI-ROI FNC (with standard settings)
- specifying custom grouping file where the parcels are grouped as per the 7 networks
What I think is being done during FNC:
- since there are 7 ROI groups, therefore there are nchoosek(7,2) = 21 between network clusters and 7 within network clusters = 28 clusters (which is what I see in the GUI with clusters going from 1-28)
- For each of the 28 clusters, perform a multivariate GLM where Y = all pairwise connections between ROIs within a cluster, X = ones(n,1) [in case of one sample test, where n is the sample size] OR X = [[ones(N1,1); zeros(N2,1)], [zeros(N1,1); ones(N2,1)]] for a between group comparison, where N1 and N2 are sample sizes and the contrast will be specified as [1, -1]
- The omnibus test is followed by a series of t-tests for each pair of connections within the cluster
Questions:
Is it correct to say that for each cluster, the omnibus test is "are there any pairs of connections within this cluster for which the mean connectivity is not zero" (for a within group test) OR "are there any pairs of connections within this cluster where the mean connectivity difference between the two groups is not zero" (for between group test)?
As a specific example, say my first cluster consists is the DMN; there are 24 ROIs in the DMN group. Therefore, there would be 276 pairs of connections within this cluster. For within group comparison for healthy subjects, the GUI shows me a F(2,37) = 696.19. If I stack up my connectivity values as a 39 x 276 DMN_HS matrix, then can the F statistics can be obtained as: [h,F,p,dof,statsname]=conn_glm(ones(39,1),DMN_HS)? Similarly, the between group omnibus degrees of freedom are (3,92).
Perhaps I am misunderstanding the omnibus tests being done here? Could you provide some clarification/insights on the omnibus test being performed and how the degrees of freedom are being calculated above? Thank you very much for your time and help.
Warm Regards
Pravesh
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